8.19 Pushkar Anand: On Vision, Action, and the Truth Behind Manifesting

Can a vision board help you design your dream life?

In this episode, Pushkar Anand, author of Manifest Your Infinite Riches and founder of the Centre for Infinite Riches, discusses what it truly means to manifest the life you want, beyond material wealth.

Pushkar shares his journey from a corporate career to pursuing an MBA at Cambridge and founding the Centre for Infinite Riches. He highlights actionable steps such as the Primary Vision Tool and the JJ Method for manifesting goals, while emphasizing the importance of taking inspired action, having faith, and seeking mentorship. He also touches upon publishing his book in India through Jaico.

The conversation also explores personal growth, developing clarity in your goals, and cultivating a mindset that supports meaningful action, using real-life examples to bring these ideas to life.

Tune in to this infinitely rich conversation about aligning your subconscious visions with reality, taking inspired action, and watching them manifest in your life.

Books mentioned in this episode:

1. Chicken Soup for the Soul by Jack Canfield
2. Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill
3. Bring Out the Magic in Your Mind by Al Koran
4. Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda

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Transcript

Tara Khandelwal: 0:50

Hi everyone. Hope you are ready for this episode, because it may just shift how you think about success, purpose and the idea of manifesting. But before we get into that, do hit the Follow button and rate us on Spotify Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows, it really helps us teach more book lovers like you. So let me ask you this, are you someone who believes in Destiny, a cosmic script being written for your life? Every major mythology has its own god of faith. In Greek mythologies, the Marai, in Roman myths, they call the passe. And in the 21st Century, we've rebranded it, we call it manifesting. Today's guest is Pushkar Anand. He's a Cambridge educated coach, and the author of his new book, manifest your infinite riches. So the reason that I really was interested in this book is because, you know, who doesn't want to achieve their goals? Every one of us has goals and desires, and every one of us has certain obstacles, and sometimes it just might be ourselves. And this book gives a really great framework as to how to achieve those goals, and it has an amazing endorsement from the legendary Jack Canfield, who is a co creator of the Chicken Soup for the Soul, and he's called it the book we've all been waiting for. So let's find out why. Welcome to the show.

Pushkar Anand: 2:06

Tara, thank you so much. I'm delighted to be here and really look forward to our conversation.

Tara Khandelwal: 2:13

Let's talk about your own story, because that might sort of help you know these lists, the listeners and me as well understand how all of this comes into play, right? So in the book, you tell your story about leaving a stable corporate career and moving to Cambridge for an MBA with your wife, a young child, and $100,000 in debt, which sounds super terrifying, but you describe that you absolutely felt absolutely sure about going for it. So tell me a little bit more about this journey of yours crossroads. You know? Why the decision to switch and then, of course, you're you founded the Center for infinite riches, which and your book is based on the principles that you expound in that center. So tell me a little bit about your journey in yourself and and why and how you came to this philosophy.

Pushkar Anand: 3:01

No, absolutely, absolutely. That's a 15 year journey we'll try keeping in about four or five minutes. Yeah. So I had had a pretty traditional career background. Went to Cambridge, went to the LSE, worked with the world's largest banks. But as I got to a certain point around, which is around the age of 30 or thereabouts, and as well, set in my corporate career, had this huge urge within me to go to Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard or Yale. There was no there was not much logic, but, and I introspected with it. I debated with it for almost a year. You know, does it make sense? Does it not make sense? But eventually the heart won. The intellect said, No, it doesn't make sense. The heart said it does. So we packed up everything he used to work with what was then the world's largest bank. So privacy reasons, I won't take the name in India, and we gave up our jobs. I had a three month old, nine month old by the time we left, and we took $100,000 debt. That was, what, 1718, years ago in those days, and we packed off and went to Cambridge. And I was petrified when we took that step. Once all the adrenaline cooled down, because I said to myself, water doesn't work out, you know? What? If things don't happen, what do I do? So I started reading. I started reading books, looking for that foolproof formula for success, which I never found. But I started going closer and closer in that direction that went into workshops and learning from people like Jack Canfield, for example. I met this wonderful man, Blaine Bartlett. I call him Grand Master b square. And just the reading and workshops and seminars went into learning directly from people who'd walk the path. And over the next few years, as we got to covid Tara, it became clear to me that my quest from finding this food performance for success had become looking for purpose. What is my purpose in life? And eventually, I found my way to it is about what I call empowering or uplifting every human being we meet so they can become the person they always meant to be. And that's when I said to myself, wow, I've been through 15 years of a quest. You know? I've been through what, upwards of 500 books, 30 really serious seminars, workshops, worked with the biggest names of the last 4050, years. I'm sure there's something I can share with the world. So all that I'd learned that I had a note form getting into 1000s of pages, got condensed into 200 odd pages into a book called manifesto infinite riches, and the Center for infinite riches. I used to call it an enterprise initially, but I think of it now as an educational digital platform. All the programs we have which are based on this material, we want to get out to people to help them, uplift them, empower them. That's what the center does. So the two essentially come together with exactly the same idea to expand. Around my dharma, my purpose to empower people, to help them become the person they always meant to be. So that's 15 years, and about what four or five months,

Tara Khandelwal: 5:56

I want to know more. I want to know more. How, sort of you know after the MBA, sort of you know you're reading all of these books and things like that, what happened from completing your MBA to setting up the center, and what exactly happens within the center.

Pushkar Anand: 6:10

So what's let's go back to, if you want to go deeper into the journey. As I started reading more and more of these books, from what was an initial interest became a hobby. A hobby became a passion. A passion became an obsession. I was literally obsessed. You know, I mean getting through large numbers and listening, you know, clearly sitting in listening to those who'd been saying it for donkey's affairs, like getting into programs workshops, you start to see something within you starts to change. It's what I call the transformational process, the metamorphosis, right? It was a long, long journey, but it's not something which happened overnight, like this? No, it was step by step, month after month, year after year, and you went deeper and deeper into it. And one biggest thing that came up, strangely enough, is, you know, the the motto of the LSE is Rerum, Cognis, Cognos, you know, why are things the way they are? What is the meaning of things? And that is what kept spurring me on. It was never looking for profit. It was never thinking of a business. It was, you know, What? What? My, my dear teacher, Blaine Bartley, Grand Master b square, I learned from the first time, is inspired. I was inspired to do it, not motivated to do it. Inspiration comes from within. That's the calling of the soul. Motivation comes when you're looking for external validation. And that was the big difference. The first time in my life I was going out and doing something I was inspired to do, not motivated. Yeah. And then as the then, as we got to the book, the whole thought within me, inside of me, was, well, why just stop at a book when you want to take your message to millions of people? Well, lately I thought, why not try to get my message to a billion people in my lifetime? It's got to go through a platform, and that platform became the center. Today is just the material we have, but soon we're going to have other people presenting the same material to the center. So think of it as a transformational, educational digital platform where people across the world, in every country, should have access to content that helps them uplift, empower and become the person they're always meant to be in an exceedingly affordable

Tara Khandelwal: 8:19

way. Can you speak about some principles that help you become the person you want to be? Right? So I want to speak more about sort of those practical exercises that you put across in the book, because a lot of it can sound very sort of esoteric. So I want us to, sort of, you know, maybe in this conversation, also just break it down a little bit more. Yeah, yeah. So Maybe one, maybe what we can do is like, maybe you can speak about what your idea of infinite riches. What exactly does that mean? We can start with that. Yeah.

Pushkar Anand: 8:52

Let's, yeah. Let's go back a step, actually, before we get to the name infinite riches, let's, let's go back a step. And why don't I? I'll ask you, Tara, you you tell me to you, as a evolved human being, this conversation we're having, what do you think for the vast majority of humanity across the world, you know, if what clicked in their life, they'd be happiest and be their best versions.

Tara Khandelwal: 9:18

I think it has to do with Maslow's hierarchy of needs. So once we sort of get the basics, like food, shelter, etc, and the basic comforts that we need to live, then they go on to, you know, being self actualization, sorry, then they go on to self actualization, which means, you know, really realizing their true potential. I think everybody, I think all human beings are very creative, and we all want to express ourselves, and we all want to express what is our true potential as well. So I think that's definitely something that everybody has in common. Good.

Pushkar Anand: 9:53

Okay, great. I think that's a great answer, and we'll, we'll delve into that further. So let's say if all of humanity leave out the fact if there's anyone suffering from a terminal illness, but if we leave that out, what everyone wants the most in this world is a certain amount of money against the names that they're financially comfortable and do what you love to do. So if you could do absolutely what you love to do, which satisfies the craving of your soul, and you had the amount of money you wanted, there's nothing else we want out of life, right? Because things like family, spending time with them, cooking, something nice, a hobby, all falls into place when you have time. So it's time and money, freedom. The highest thing we're after is time and money, freedom. And that comes when we're doing what we love to do, and we have as much money as we like. Yeah, that's in a simple way, the you know, which dovetails into Maslow. Well. And if I were to come up with a formula or a way to live life where you're doing exactly what you want to do, and the amount of money you want you have, and money keeps chasing you, why would anybody not want to do that? Right? And that is what we're talking about here. And are we not saying do something rash if you're doing a certain job that gives you a stable income, you know, and you have expenses, you give it all up, and tomorrow you start this new journey. We're not saying that. We're talking about a transformational process and how that happens. We can get to the next question of the question after but the the fundamental foundation of what we're saying here is that you create a life where you spend most of your time doing what you absolutely love to do which dovetails into your or is aligned with your dharma or purpose. When you do that and you get to a certain vibration, the money you want comes after you and chases you. And when these two things happen, you leading that fullest possible life that you can. That is the fundamental premise of what we saying in your infinite riches we touched upon earlier is your living that life that you always wanted to live. You're becoming the person you always wanted to be. So you start with making an image, description, picture of who it is you want to be, but talk about what you can do and give before you start talking about how much money I want make the money the side effect of what you do. You focus on something so much bigger. Now, I absolutely love what I do. I love the conversation I'm having. You can possibly hear it from my voice. I love the words I write. I love the things I do. I absolutely love money too, but I don't spend my hours chasing money, and that is what I'm trying to say. There's a big, big difference between waking up in the morning and saying, I'm doing this because I want the money, versus I'm doing this because this is me. This is my ideal. I've become my ideal. And now let's see how much money I want, which comes after me, and

Tara Khandelwal: 12:39

translating that into how I do the practice. Like, how do you get there, right? And you give a lot of these examples in the book, so maybe you can take me through one of them, right? So there's this Primary Vision tool that you posit, which is a three step process to clarify your life's mission. And you say that you know the step one. Step one is list between one and three of your biggest stand and step two is list between one and three of your core values. And step three is, if you had all you wanted and there was no financial need to do to work, what would you like to do? So how does, how does tools like this? And how do we actually get to that place where, okay, money is chasing us, where we are doing what we want to do, because most of humanity is not living like that, and that's what we really want to do. How do we get from, you know, thinking that, Oh, this sounds really good on paper, but it's not. It's maybe applicable for other people. It's applicable for Steve Jobs, but it's not applicable for me, because I still have to do all of these duties and things like that. So how do we get get from sort of wanting it in, like dreaming about it, actually making that a reality.

Pushkar Anand: 13:54

And that's, that's, that's a great, great point, Sarah, and let's, let's spend a few minutes on this. So anything Steve Jobs could do, you can do and I can do in our own respective fields. The first step we have to take is we have to open up our minds and accept, to ourselves that I have the ability, in the means to become the person I was always meant to be. Then starts the transformational journey. Anyone who says this happens in a few weeks or days is talking rubbish. It doesn't happen in a few weeks, right? It is a simple concept to understand, but it's not an easy one to execute. It's simple because it's not complex. It's not easy because it's difficult. It's difficult because we've never done it. We have 30 years, 40 years, 50 years, 20 years of conditioning behind us right now. How do we do it? There are quite a few exercises, models well explained in the book. We can't get through each one. But let's start with this basic one. The what you refer to is the three step reconnection tool, right? Where we say that be absolutely true to yourself and list a handful of your biggest talents, right? I'm saying talents are not skills. Working with Excel or PowerPoint is a skill, right? The ability to look at numbers as a talent. They're two very different things. And take your time. You don't do it in a minute, take an hour, take days, but list a handful of your key talents. 123, is a good number, usually. Then jump on to values, right? What are the things that really matter to me? Forging relationships, collaborating, honesty, loyalty, adjectives, lots of different adjectives there. Then once these two are done, you come on to the biggest, biggest question that, what is it that I'd love to do if money were no reason, or say I were a child and I were given the freedom to do exactly what I'd like to do? What is it that I'd want to do when you bring these three together and you get the. Those answers, you start devising an initial view of where your heart is, or what is the craving of your soul. And the best example I can share with you here is, you know, I think everyone knows Jayco is my publisher in India, but we have a different publisher globally. It's today, what I call one of the UK's leading hybrid publishers. At one point it was a small, tiny publisher looking at small projects for authors who wanted to sell 100 200 books. Cat Charles is the name of the promoter we got together. She was my one of my dearest, dearest clients, customers, associates. Call it what you like. She is transform row and mail just through this holding this vision in your heart of what I want Rowan Vale to become, and actually becoming that. Right? They've been through that journey in the last two years, from a small, niche publisher to one of the UK's leading hybrid ones, doing exactly what we're talking about here.

Tara Khandelwal: 16:45

So you spoke about you gave an example of that in the book. So can you walk, maybe our listeners, through how she filled in those three steps and how that vision that she held has led to that transformation?

Pushkar Anand: 16:57

So this is what we'll do. I'll spend a minute and just tell you what it is that cat did, and then I'll open the book and talk you through her answers, because I don't remember them through memory. Cat was the big thing that struck me about her the first time we chatted, was that desire within her to become a significant publisher within the UK with a certain global presence, was very, very strong. She She was not one of those who thought that, why? Why I cannot do it. The mindset always was, I really want to do it. I know I can do it, but I don't know how to do it. So what we started out with, we made a vision of who it is that she wants to become, in her case, more than her, her company, row and mail books, which is obviously an extension of her. We wrote out. Put images there. Put pictures there. Wrote, which are the key countries she wants to be in, what are the kind of employees she wants, what is the scale she wants for a business, what are the best selling number of books she wants, things like that. So we made that document, and that is something I say to everybody you know, as I said earlier, make an image words, pictures of who it is you want to be. Look at it every day. See it every day. When you do that, you get in the vibration of that already there that gives you nudges and hunches to take action. You take action, ongoing Guided Action. I call it and I chatted. When Jack interviewed me, the first interview ever, ever did. He used the term inspired action. I've used the term ongoing Guided Action. Napoleon Hill talked about something else in his book, Think and Grow Rich. But everyone's saying taking action issues very aggressive with her action and one thing led to the other to the third, and she's become who she is today. So with that background there, let me just quickly get to that page, Tara, and try reading out her answers for you. Okay, so step one we talked about Yep. List between one and three of your biggest talents so cats. Answers are project management and forging partnerships. List between one and three of your core values, honesty, fairness and balance. What would you love to do if there was no financial need to work, empower others, especially those who need it most. Out of this, we drew what we call her principle, primary principle mission, empower authors, employees and underprivileged entrepreneurs. Then, because cat is cat, we went into two primary submissions. Ensure authors have a seamless hybrid publishing experience. Pledge that every Rowan Well, employee, freelancer, has optimum work life balance. Ah, well. Primary submission, three, facilitate underprivileged entrepreneurs to develop their enterprise. Primary principle mission, Rowan Vale books is recognized globally as a a leading ethical hybrid publisher with brick and mortar distribution. She really wanted that B, a premier employee for naming employees of freelancers to achieve optimum work life balance. And C, an established mentor to aspiring, underprivileged entrepreneurs. My cat's 37th birthday, April 11, 2027, then we go into the visions as well and the financial side effect. So I'll leave out the visions and things, but my net worth is dollar x by my 30th birthday. Now this is a pretty important point, because that is what I call the financial abundance side effect. She knows how much money she wants. She's written it down. She sees it every day. She believes it's there, but she's not chasing it. She's chasing the mission the wider.

Tara Khandelwal: 20:28

Course, I like those examples, because I think that definitely when you have a larger mission beyond just you know, the financial incentive, then money does come your way because you are able to be creative. You're able to really solve problems, like I've seen that also in my own journey as an entrepreneur. Entrepreneur, where my mentors always told me that, you know the money will come. Just keep doing what you're doing, keep solving the problems that you're solving, and you will find those opportunities. And then there'll come a time when you know the money will come, and I've seen that happen as well for myself. So I do believe in definitely, you know, having that larger mission, and not only just doing it for the money, because your creativity gets impacted. One other point, yeah,

Pushkar Anand: 21:15

absolutely, yeah, sorry, I'll just chip on, and I fully agree with what you said, but at the same time, as I said earlier, you know, I'm not chasing money, but I absolutely love money, and I want everyone to decide how much you want, right? But what you're taking back in terms of money, make it minuscule compared to what you're giving. So if you're touching 100 million people, and you're giving everyone value worth, say, $10 that's a billion, take back $1 a person, rather than as much as you're giving. Significantly, give so much more than what you take. Decide how much money you want with the right, right logic as this, and see that figure every day for 234, minutes, believe you already have it. That's critical, but don't chase it.

Tara Khandelwal: 21:58

Yeah, I mean, and we all obviously are chasing it as well as the mission and everything that we're doing, because we have to live with, live with but I like that framework where it's it is about the money, but it's also about giving much more than the money that we're taking. And I think that's a good framework for also sort of going forward and trying to achieve your goals. Because I think, as I mentioned before, as human beings, I think we're all extremely goal oriented, and we're very desirous. As a species, we all want and want and want and another. Another thing that I really liked about the book is that you say that you know that pursuit should be not competitive, but creative and the best, and you give examples of the best businesses that really haven't looked at competition, but have looked at creating value themselves, right, without really looking at the market. And one example you gave was Sony and another company. And I forgot the other company's name, but this other company wanted to buy Sony's radios, and yes, and then Sony said that, oh, I we didn't want to do that, because they wanted to distribute under their own brand name, and this other company said that nobody knows Sony. And cut to, you know that company, it's still worth a billion dollars, but Sony's worth $88 billion and I don't even remember this company's name when I've read the book, but everyone knows Sony. And I thought that was a great example of that concept.

Pushkar Anand: 23:28

No, absolutely. Tara. And this is it itself. Is so blessed the way this example popped up, you know? I mean, I read this book Made in Japan, our kumarita, when I was 18 years old. That's when I read it. And this example stayed in my mind, you know. And 2527 years later, suddenly came back to me that, look at our kumarita. This is post World War Two. Japan is nothing. America is the big production house, and he goes there to as an upcoming company. So need to tie up with Bulova to sell their product. Bulova says, great product, you know, but we'll rebrand it under ours, because who knows you? You know everyone knows us. And this guy says, no, no, no, no, no, nobody knows us today, but in 20 years, more people will know us than they know you and everyone the part of the leadership team, the executive board at Sony said, Aki Morita, you're nuts. You're crazy to give up this opportunity. Let's go and do it. He said, No, this is my vision. This is the feeling in my heart, and this is what I'm going to do. But that was his dharma. Tara, his Dharma was creating an organizer. He's not talking competition at all, right, a Japanese powerhouse which goes across the world, you know, mission statements, something that was the feeling in his heart, and that is what he went with. It had nothing to do with the money. It had nothing to do with competition. All it had to do was getting out there and living his purpose of dharma. And you see what Sony has become today. Sony is an example I gave Ford when Henry Ford set it up as another example, there's SC Johnson and Sons Tata, you know, all of these. The whole concept was, we're out there to create something magnificent. We're not talking about stealing from the other guy. You know. I mean, what is competition, as far as I see? I mean, it's sometimes in interviews, I get asked, right? So which authors are biggest competitors? And I laugh it off and say, there are no competitors. There is no competition. You're out there to put your wares in front of people in a certain way, right? And whoever sees value in what you're doing from your creation will work with you or buy your wares because you give them so much more value. What is competition? If you put yourself in that vibration, there is no competition.

Tara Khandelwal: 25:36

Yeah, I agree. I think that. You know, having those blinders on is very, very useful, because oftentimes what happens is that you get so obsessed with the competition, then you're constantly looking left and right and you. Constantly looking what they are doing, and then you may not innovate yourself, because you may not come up with the next big thing. Or, you know, you might not identify the gap in the market because you are competing on those small increments with people around you. But at the same time, of course, we are all in a market, and we have to be aware of what works and what doesn't. Which brings me to my next point. You know, because you talk about the difference between having these goals that are having these goals that help you become the version of yourself that you really want to be. But also, what is that balance between, you know, being reasonable and realistic, like, I can have a goal that I want to fly, but that's never going to happen, right? What is the difference between, you know, having these dreams. And also, you know, situating on having big dreams, large dreams, thinking things are possible, and expanding that realm of what's what you think is possible for yourself. Visa V being, you know, realistic about things as well.

Pushkar Anand: 26:46

Okay, so this is a very, very interesting question. Tara, let's, let's, let's talk about it. I'm sure you're familiar with George Bernard Shaw and with the with the Wright brothers. So before they made the first airplane, I think it was Oliver saying to Wilbur, one was a bit disillusioned, and he said, Look, I can see, I can see a plane there. He was already seeing it as having happened. He had no idea how it will happen. Yeah, one of George my favorite quotation, George Bernard Shaw, he said the reasonable man. He used the term man versus human 100 years ago. He said it. The reasonable man looks at what is something along these lines and says, This is great. You know something similar about what things are. The unreasonable man looks and says, Well, why is it not this way? Why not? Therefore progress depends on the Unreasonable Man right now. One of my own favorite words is that if you keep doing what you've been doing, you'll keep getting the results you've been getting. If you keep doing reasonable and realistic things, you'll keep seeing reasonable and realistic results. It's when you look at unreasonable and unrealistic things, and you do unreasonable unrealistic things, you'll get unreasonable and unrealistic results. Now that's the concept. How does it translate into in practice, if the feeling in your heart you made that comment lightly, and I want to fly. I'm not going to be able to fly. And if that is the calling of yours or somebody's soul, how can human beings start to fly? And you put in your life into doing that, I can assure you, you'll find a way that human beings can fly. We already paraglide. The Flying does not mean we grow wings. Then we going against nature, but there would be ways to make us do that recreationally, the way Amazon gets, you know, goods to our houses every other day. Now take that vision and think you put yourself in that vibration. Human beings are flying to work with wings. It's a very different world. But if you make that your vision, devote your life to it, the ways will start to come. The issue is all of us get stuck with, how will it happen? And anyone who's done anything of significance or magnificence in their lives never worries about the how. The way to do it is, write down what the goal is, what the mission is, what the purpose is. You Gen start generating the feeling within you that it's already happened. You already are that person. So if you're doing a nine to five job, but your vision is to change the world through your words, for example, then you create a one pager of that ideal world and vision. And every day you look at it, five minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, you generate within you the feeling of it already there. Steve Jobs is the grand master of this concept called reality distortion field, he'd assume what he wants is there, and the real reality distorted around him, manifested into a new world. Because all we're talking about is energy here. Now, when you're on that vibration every day, as I alluded to earlier, you'll get feelings or hunches to take action. So let the day job continue. Nobody's saying go into financial ruin, but those feelings and hunches you get to take the next step, get out and take it. It might be a small investment. It might be reaching out to somebody. I talk in one of the chapters about how Jack can feel, popped into my life and the other way around. And this is a real example, Tara. I didn't know Jack from Adams, which I had such a strong feeling within me that he plays significant part helping my message across the world. And I went with that feeling. One step went to the right. I know Jack well, and he's helping me. What do I do? One thing to the other, to the third to the fourth, and boom, we ended up getting interviewed, getting endorsements, and God knows how many people he shared my message. Tell me a little bit more

Tara Khandelwal: 30:29

about that, but that story, there we go.

Pushkar Anand: 30:33

So I was, there's, there's a certain book from a certain author used to read, and this is all, it's all in my book. And that particular day, I had such a strong calling not to pick up that book, but to pick up the book right next to it, the book. Lie. Next to it, the book called Chicken Soup for the Soul, some old edition going by, God knows, 20 years. So I just opened it, and I got to a page where there's a story Jack talks about a guy called Monty Roberts, I think he's now the horse whisper or something, where Monty is a kid from a very average background a certain school years ago in America, and the teacher says, Write out your dream essay. All children write an essay, and Monty comes back, talks about this, owning a horse ranch with hundreds of acres and something huge, and the teacher tells him that this is a very unrealistic dream for a child with a family background like yours. So think about it's a well written essay. If you clean it up, I'll give you a pass, otherwise you're a fail. So he goes back home, asks his father, father doesn't know, comes back the next day and tells the teacher, I've thought about it. You give me the failed grade, so you keep your grade, but I'll keep my dream. And 3040, years later, he had exactly that ranch where the teacher bought a bunch of kids to look at big ranches. The teacher apologized and said, I'm really sorry for being a dream killer. And when I read that, I don't know from where it happened. I had this flash in my mind, and I had a lump in my throat. I just saw Jack sitting there and endorsing and helping me spread my message across the world. I was born on that vibration, and I never moved away from there. How do I get to Jack? How do I get to Jack? Right? And the answers came. The answers came. There was an option to get interviewed by him. I went through the process, got chosen to do that. Blaine Bartlett, Grandmaster, my dear teacher. He'd known Jack a long time. He put in a word as well. Jack said, All right, let me read the book. I like the first 2000 words. I'll do all I can to help. He said, I absolutely love the book. This is the book we've all been waiting for. That's how it happened.

Tara Khandelwal: 32:29

I think when we speak about manifesting, we always think it's something sort of not devoid from action. But what I like about this book is you put in a framework for how manifesting is has to be a tandem with your actions and actually your brain is. The brain is very interesting creature, because if, as you said, we are already attuned to a certain thing, then all around us, we'll start seeing that thing, kind of we'll see we'll start seeing parts to that thing. We'll say, Oh, if you I only want to make a movie one day, I want to really produce a movie, maybe I'll pay more attention when somebody talks about a script writer friend they know, whereas earlier, I wouldn't have at all. So your brain picks up on these small, small things, and then you can take those actions. Because, as you mentioned before, it's already so ingrained into your system, and it's so ingrained and it's so top of mind, that any little clue that happens that that you see that will lead you to the thing that's top of mind is easier for you to identify. And I think that's the power of manifesting. And it's first to really understand, okay, what is it I really want to be and what, what is it I really want to do? And I think a lot of us get stuck at that, actually, we are not able to create that one page of you know, here's what I want to do, here's what I want to be, and have that vision for ourselves, because that itself requires a suspension of reality. And a lot of us are very it's very hard to get out of that

Pushkar Anand: 34:04

absolutely that, I think very, very well said, it is a suspension of reality needed. And as I alluded to earlier, you keep doing the same stuff, the same life carries on. Suspend reality. Get into reality. Distortion field. Create a very clear image, description, words, pictures of who you want to be. Keep the values intact. What you're giving is so much more than what you're taking right? Focus on the Dharma. Put yourself on that vibration. You will, on a regular daily basis, have hunches and feelings about what to do. You're on that vibration. People turn up into your life, right? It just, I mean, I never knew, for example, that your podcast existed what point in time. But somehow, through chain of events, which both of us know here we're having a conversation, how did that happen? It's a vibrational match. That's exactly how it happens. But take action. Take action every day, show up, do what you have to do, and your vibration will start to change. And eventually you'll get there. And sometimes, quite often, the action you asked to take, the hunches you get is not entirely logical, because if it's logic, it's coming from the intellect of the brain. If it's beyond logic, it's feeling, it's coming from a source much higher. You see, the mind is not the brain. The mind is absolutely not the brain. The mind is the conscious and subconscious. Conscious is so much closer to the brain. The subconscious goes beyond that's what's connected to your soul, and it's the patterns in the subconscious that determines what comes out in your life as a manifesting experience.

Tara Khandelwal: 35:35

And we spoke a lot about Steve Jobs, and I really love this quote of Steve Jobs, where he said that, you know, all the dots connect later on, he's like, I don't know, I did a calligraphy. Course, I didn't know why I did this or that. And then later. Data, all of those dots, all of the seemingly random things he did in his youth, in his life, when he was creating the iPhone or the Apple products, all of those things magically just came together, you know. So I think also it makes me think a lot about having faith in yourself and faith in the process, because I think it's very easy to also lose that faith on a day to day basis, right? Like I'm taking the action I want to be this person, I just don't see a way out. I don't see how it's going to happen. But a lot of it has to do with also maintaining that conviction. What advice do you have for people to maintain them that conviction and maintain themselves in that vibrational frequency that you said,

Pushkar Anand: 36:29

absolutely, absolutely Tara. And look, this is, it's a reality. It's, it's the process we go through. We've got to be for some point in time, we'll be schizophrenic. We're living in two different worlds, right? We are awake 1617, hours in a day as you start this exercise or this journey at the absolute beginning, Tara, 15 and a half to 16 hours of those 1616. And a half will be your whole life, absolutely but when you come up with this new image description what you want to be, it starts to change slowly, so slowly, so small. Initially, you can't even tell when you go into your sacred space once, twice, three times a day, and you feel you've already become who you have to be. That is 2030 minutes in the day, when you're in the new reality. As you start taking action and more action and things start to change. The 2030 minutes goes up. 45 minutes, hour. 90 minutes, two hours, and gradually the whole thing starts to come almost equally, and then you start becoming who you always meant to be. Now, do not lose conviction. Easier said than done. How do we make sure we don't lose it? You make sure by developing the skill and the habit to have faith, and that happens when you do more of the same every day. These 10 minutes, once, twice, three times a day, these are the magical moments where there's nobody in your life. There's no conditioning, there's no one out there. Get on that vibration. Write it out. Say it to yourself. Write an eye to me. Letter you know of what your perfect life is. Affirm. Make a mind movie. I talk about mind movies. Natalie led well better anything which puts you on that feeling that I never got a great neville goddard used to say, assume the feeling of the wish fulfilled. Assume you already are who you want to be. Do it only for those 10 minutes, three times a day. That's fine. It's okay, but that will start to put you in the journey of the right direction. Ignore what is physically happening around you. Learn to feel from the senses inside, not the physical senses of hear, see, taste, smell, touch. We're accustomed education across the world is go by the physical senses. What we're saying is fine. Putting it loosely, be like a Jedi. Feel your way from inside, not what you see outside, and that takes time study, unlearning what we've learned, and starting to live life in a new way.

Tara Khandelwal: 38:57

Yeah, I think the other thing is that you know when you go into that space and when you have that conviction, and you, as you said, faith is a skill. And I really do think that faith is a skill, because it's not a very easy thing to have conviction in yourself and to be on that vibrational frequency, you know, like as an entrepreneur, also myself. There's so many times that I lose that conviction, and then I have to, I have to really sort of work at it. And luckily, I have people in my life who help me with that conviction. But then there's a lot of other people, not just, it's not just for me, but in everybody's life where, you know, people say, Oh, this can't be done. No, this is not possible, or this is not going to happen for you, you know. So I think to also shut off those voices is very important, because you need to have that conviction and faith and belief that, okay, you know, I'm working on my goals, and at the end of the day, if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, I think that's also okay. It's just about also the journey, and that process of getting there something or the other will work out.

Pushkar Anand: 39:57

Absolutely that's that's a big, big point you make, and I want our listeners to take that away as well. Is that when you're out on your journey, make sure you got a handful of mentors. I did a video on mentors as well, always 234, who've walked the path that you want to walk, who've become similar to the person you want to become. Find them. Go to them. Mark Twain has said, great people only lift you up. It's the small people who push you down. True mentors will always help you. So when you want to achieve something or become someone, don't speak to family, friends, uncles, aunts. We all do that across the world. Neighbors. What does the neighbor know? What does Auntie X or uncle J or parent know? But they haven't done this? Go to those who've done it right. And when I made my way, whether it was Jack Blaine. Or the other I said, Look, this is what you've done in your life. I'm out to do the same thing. Help me. The other person picks up the heart vibe, connection, and they will always help you. Because anyone who's done anything of value in life wants to make sure the work they did once they've moved on or stopped doing it continues. They look for people who can give physical forms the same kind of work they'd love to do this. And when you feel down and out, it's not working out. Go back and think what your mentors told you in the down days. Well, you will do this. I know you have the potential. I know your heart is there or whatever, or pick up the phone and call them, but this is a hugely important support structure to have, because they are the ones who are ahead of you in your life journey, they can tell you where you're going to fall, how you get up, and what you have to do. So don't underestimate the power of that. And I think you alluded to it also, and it's really essential. We all you want to be a sandwich maker. Find the best sandwich maker there is go and ask for guidance. Absolutely, I

Tara Khandelwal: 41:45

think couldn't agree more with the power of learning from other people and mentorship. So let's pass some myths around manifesting in your experience. What are the most harmful or misleading ideas people have about this practice?

Pushkar Anand: 41:59

Absolutely, I'll clap my hand and I'll have the boyfriend, the girlfriend of my life. I'll clap my hand and I'll say something to the universe, and I'll have a million dollars tomorrow. It's not some airy fairy hocus pocus wiffle waffle exercise as it's been made to become in some ways. You know, over the years, no, everyone's been manifesting all their lives. We all do. You know, what is manifestation? It's giving physical form to feeling inside of you or desire inside of you. That's all. There's nothing else to it. Now, a manifestation experience is a direct reflection of the pattern in your subconscious mind. That is it there is nothing else that's there. We all fed patterns into ourselves subconscious the first 710, years of our lives. That becomes our conditioning. Then we have to uncondition and put a new pattern. So if, for example, somebody's net worth is $100,000 it's because the pattern in the subconscious, for the financials is $100,000 it's not a million, because if it were be, you'd have a million in front of you, right? So what we have to understand is, we all always manifest, whether we accept it or not. It's a direct reflection of the pattern the subconscious mind, the pattern is nothing but the rate of vibrational frequency. That is what's been fed into us over many years. That's why it's called conditioning. That's why it takes time and repetition to change it. Because you take out the old pattern, replace with the new one, therefore repetition and time are needed, and therefore the whole process of manifesting something worthwhile does not happen overnight. I think

Tara Khandelwal: 43:29

definitely patience is the name of the game here. And with anything in life, if you want to be really fit, and you're starting from a place where you're not fit, you don't gonna get fit in one one day. You're gonna have to work towards it, and it'll happen with time and patience and sticking to it. I think people have the hardest time sticking to it,

Pushkar Anand: 43:46

yeah, oh, absolutely. There's that phrase. I don't recall who said it, Tara, but I absolutely love it, that infinite patience gives immediate results. Now this is why it's so powerful. We talked about the vibration earlier. If you in the vibration of already having become the person you always meant to be, then what are you chasing? There is no patience needed if, in your mind, you already are the world outside of you changes, and that is what we have to work towards. You know, we have to feel the joy and give thanks for who we are. So life carries on, and then the whole concept of patience evaporates because you're seeing life from the view of the person you're trying to become. That's when the shift happens and the vibration changes.

Tara Khandelwal: 44:32

That makes sense. Then you don't need patience. Yeah, that's a good way to look at it as well. You're already there. So one thing is interesting, you created something called the JJ method, which is based on an impromptu audio message you recorded for a student during your visit to Jack Canfield, the author of chicken soup program in California. And this, this is about shifting your vibrational energy. So we spoke a lot about getting to that vibrational energy. How do you get then? Can you tell us about the moment that inspired this creation of your JJ method? And what? What is this?

Pushkar Anand: 45:05

Oh, goodness me, JJ is a great guy. So he's not a student. Actually, he's a dear friend associate. I'll call him. He's a musician who lives in Santa Barbara, not far from Jack's. And Jack's firm used him as an Uber cabbie quite a few times. So I said I needed a car when I was there. So JJ, was there for me, and we, you know, he spent a couple of days traveling around, wonderful man, hugely service oriented, but wanting to make a shift in life with his dream and the finances that go with it and all of that good stuff. So we had lots of meaningful conversations. Tara, but the JJ method is around when we were driving after I was done at Santa Barbara, He's driving me to San Francisco, and on the way, I suddenly had. A huge heartfelt connection with his music and with his dreams and aspirations. So the music that comes up in our videos in the first 20 seconds is his trademark, proprietary music that he's allowed me to use there. So there was this huge moment I had thinking about the music and JJ, and when I looked at the clock, it was 111 in the car. We talked about with JJ how he could do what he loves to do, and have that certain amount of finances against his name. And I made an absolutely impromptu affirmation self talk recording, which is actually there in the JJ Method program on the website, lasted about two minutes or something. It was made absolutely impromptu, recorded on my good old, old, miserable, broken iPhone, which is then put on the program on the website. And it came straight from the heart. It was a recording of JJs, ideal life, what he's doing with his music, the impact he's making in the world, and how much money he has against his name. It was about one of the things included there was taking his bank statement and cutting out what it is and putting there exactly what he wanted, and listening to the recording in my voice twice, three, four times a day, and as it elevated his vibration, going out and taking action and doing what has to be done. Now we haven't spoken in a while. I don't know how disciplined he's been with the recording, but the whole JJ method is a 20 minute program. Was all around exactly this that you can instantly change that vibration if you do the work needed be disciplined around it, and there's nothing that's getting in your way. Wonderful.

Tara Khandelwal: 47:23

And can you tell me a little bit more about the writing and publishing journey and the publishing journey with Jaco.

Pushkar Anand: 47:30

Ah, the publishing journey with Jaco, well, that is, that is something very dear to my heart, as I had my book complete in terms of the final manuscript, and I asked myself, you know, India, obviously my own connection, lots of people there who could benefit. Who do I want to publish with? And the only name in my heart, in my mind, was Jacob. There's nobody else I wanted to work with that was absolutely clear where the feeling came from, where the sentiment came from. I think goes back a very, very long time when I might have read Jacob books when I was a kid. So I went, went to my agent and said, I want to publish with Jaco, and nobody but Jayco. So the manuscript was sent. It was well received. Then there are conversations around, you know, certain tweaks and what the mission is and what we want to do, which I think we did rather peacefully and before we knew what the whole thing manifested. And putting it simply, yes, the dream in my heart was to be a J co author. And I think that pretty seamlessly, just happened as though it was effortless, in a way, effortless in a way, actually, yes, hugely actionable, lots of things within the journey, but just seemed absolutely natural and effortless. And that's another very interesting beta around what we out do. Does it feel natural, and if we're talking about your example of putting on wings and flying, does it feel natural to you? Did it feel natural to wright brothers that we're going to put an airplane up there? Did it feel natural to Henry Ford that people are not going to use horses and carriages with a mechanical thing, which we call an automobile, that feeling natural is what comes down to that feeling in the soul that comes to the heart and expresses itself out there.

Tara Khandelwal: 49:20

What about is there a manifestation that didn't work? And what did it teach you?

Pushkar Anand: 49:26

I think enough times it hasn't worked, but when it doesn't work, Tara, it's not that the laws of nature have changed or the process has changed. It's because we make mistakes, including me. All See, we all human beings at the end of the day. We not, we not nature in an absolute sense. We embodiments of nature. We nature's grandest embodiment as human being, but we not the whole concept of nature ourselves. So we make mistakes. In my early days, I said, I want this much money. I want this much money. And then I today, if I look back and see it's exactly what I was. It's not about wanting a certain amount of money. It's about whole changing our equation, right? So I failed enough times, but I know why I failed and how I can correct it, and the same goes for all of us. The rules of nature, the laws are the same for all of us. When it doesn't happen, it means we're not doing it in the way we should. That is the lesson to take from it and do it the right way.

Tara Khandelwal: 50:21

Thank you so much. This has been a very rich conversation, and I think what stood out to me was that manifesting is in magic. It's mindset and action. Thank you so much. I think

Pushkar Anand: 50:33

it's been a great conversation. I've thoroughly enjoyed it, but I wish you'd said it's not been a rich conversation. It's been an infinitely rich conversation.

Tara Khandelwal: 50:42

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